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linda Maga
What is the distinction? I'm confused on his discription. Can this be interpreted in contemporary terms of culture?
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Don't you own a dictionary? Rhetorical question. Just kidding.
Everyone, including yourself, already knows the distinction between form and content. You probably have drawers in your house --- whether those drawers are in your kitchen cupboards, or in your bathroom "vanity", or in chests or wardrobes in your bedroom. All drawers have the same "form" --- meaning shape in the cases of drawers --- and similar functions from which the name "drawer" is derived. People "draw" them out of; or "withdraw" them from; some sort of surrounding enclosure or cabinet. So almost every drawer has a similar "form"/(shape in this example). But the CONTENTS of kitchen drawers, bathroom drawers and bedroom drawers are (usually) different items which never have the "form" of a drawer. No sweater, underwear item, kitchen utensil, or bottle of pills --- all which may be found in the different drawers of different cabinets in different rooms of any house --- ever has the "form" of a drawer. But such "contents" are contained in [or the contents of] drawers. So form and content are basic distinctions in almost everything, including the drawers of people's homes.
Most cars have similar forms, but the contents "under the hood", or in the passenger seats of a car, may be very different, in different cars, while never having the "form" of a car. e.g. the driver.
Similarly most business letters have a standard "form" [location addresses of the sender and recipient; a formal address such as "To whom this may concern:" or "Dear Sir:", a body of the letter, a closing such as "Yours truly," or "Yours sincerely" and a signature] but the contents in the body of a business letter can be extraordinarily varied --- anything from Advertizing a product to the transport of a Zoo animal from location-x to location-y, as will other "contents" differ --- e.g. who signs the business letter and to whom it is addressed.
Breakfast is one form of meal, snacks are another form (of eating) and dinner is another form of meal. But the CONTENTS of one's breakfast, snack or evening meal, are an entirely different thing, for different persons, in different cultures. Exercize is a "form" of activity. The "contents" of your exercize regime may be very different if you are a swimmer or a tennis player. Warfare is a "form" of human behaviour. But the weapons "contents" of an ancient army, at war, were quite different from the weapons "contents" of WW II combatants. There are various forms of music, such as jazz, rock, classical, opera, pop, hip-hop, r&b etc. But the "contents" --- lyrics and/or melody --- of various "forms" of music differ greatly.
So you actually know such distinctions, given the distinction between a purse and its contents or a backpack and its contents, a refrigerator and its contents, or a letter and its contents. So too there are different forms of censorship and different "contents" which may or may not be censored.
e.g. People practice "self censorship" all the time. That "form" of censorhip is usually called "politeness" or "manners", where people censor the widely varied "contents" of their own minds from those whom they know they'd offend if they actually stated their actual mental "content" [othewise known as thoughts or opinions]. Then there is exterior censorship by others, which is a different censorship "form" [involuntary] from self-censorship [voluntary]. But, once again, the censored CONTENTS can be widely different. News content may be censored. Religious content may be censored. Antireligious content may be censored. Political content may be censored. Advertizing may be censored. Movies, books, comedy, music, etc. etc. --- all having distinct and distinguisable "contents", as well as "forms" --- may be censored.
So the next time you are "confused on his discription(/description)", it would be good to actually provide your answerers with the actual words of Socrates which have confused you. Plato is quite good at providing the context of Socrates's stated contents. Plato would never censor the contents (statements) of a pythian priestess at Delphi [no matter how arguably irrational, or obscure were the contents of the oracle], but would censor any poet who ridiculed Delphi, whether the "form" of ridicule was a play, a poem or a song --- no matter how "artistic/competent" the ridicule. Plato was that sort of "censorer" --- arguably because of the irreverence of much Athenian comedy/tragedy which was seldom (if ever) censored. One such irreverent comedy, by Aristophanes [The Clouds featuring a ridiculed/ridiculous Socrates] played a role, according to Socrates/Plato, in Socrates's trial, conviction and death sentence [Plato's Apology 18d re. Socrates's "invisible opponents" whom he cannot even name, quote:- "...unless one of them happens to be a playwright."].
Kevin
Don't you own a dictionary? Rhetorical question. Just kidding.
Everyone, including yourself, already knows the distinction between form and content. You probably have drawers in your house --- whether those drawers are in your kitchen cupboards, or in your bathroom "vanity", or in chests or wardrobes in your bedroom. All drawers have the same "form" --- meaning shape in the cases of drawers --- and similar functions from which the name "drawer" is derived. People "draw" them out of; or "withdraw" them from; some sort of surrounding enclosure or cabinet. So almost every drawer has a similar "form"/(shape in this example). But the CONTENTS of kitchen drawers, bathroom drawers and bedroom drawers are (usually) different items which never have the "form" of a drawer. No sweater, underwear item, kitchen utensil, or bottle of pills --- all which may be found in the different drawers of different cabinets in different rooms of any house --- ever has the "form" of a drawer. But such "contents" are contained in [or the contents of] drawers. So form and content are basic distinctions in almost everything, including the drawers of people's homes.
Most cars have similar forms, but the contents "under the hood", or in the passenger seats of a car, may be very different, in different cars, while never having the "form" of a car. e.g. the driver.
Similarly most business letters have a standard "form" [location addresses of the sender and recipient; a formal address such as "To whom this may concern:" or "Dear Sir:", a body of the letter, a closing such as "Yours truly," or "Yours sincerely" and a signature] but the contents in the body of a business letter can be extraordinarily varied --- anything from Advertizing a product to the transport of a Zoo animal from location-x to location-y, as will other "contents" differ --- e.g. who signs the business letter and to whom it is addressed.
Breakfast is one form of meal, snacks are another form (of eating) and dinner is another form of meal. But the CONTENTS of one's breakfast, snack or evening meal, are an entirely different thing, for different persons, in different cultures. Exercize is a "form" of activity. The "contents" of your exercize regime may be very different if you are a swimmer or a tennis player. Warfare is a "form" of human behaviour. But the weapons "contents" of an ancient army, at war, were quite different from the weapons "contents" of WW II combatants. There are various forms of music, such as jazz, rock, classical, opera, pop, hip-hop, r&b etc. But the "contents" --- lyrics and/or melody --- of various "forms" of music differ greatly.
So you actually know such distinctions, given the distinction between a purse and its contents or a backpack and its contents, a refrigerator and its contents, or a letter and its contents. So too there are different forms of censorship and different "contents" which may or may not be censored.
e.g. People practice "self censorship" all the time. That "form" of censorhip is usually called "politeness" or "manners", where people censor the widely varied "contents" of their own minds from those whom they know they'd offend if they actually stated their actual mental "content" [othewise known as thoughts or opinions]. Then there is exterior censorship by others, which is a different censorship "form" [involuntary] from self-censorship [voluntary]. But, once again, the censored CONTENTS can be widely different. News content may be censored. Religious content may be censored. Antireligious content may be censored. Political content may be censored. Advertizing may be censored. Movies, books, comedy, music, etc. etc. --- all having distinct and distinguisable "contents", as well as "forms" --- may be censored.
So the next time you are "confused on his discription(/description)", it would be good to actually provide your answerers with the actual words of Socrates which have confused you. Plato is quite good at providing the context of Socrates's stated contents. Plato would never censor the contents (statements) of a pythian priestess at Delphi [no matter how arguably irrational, or obscure were the contents of the oracle], but would censor any poet who ridiculed Delphi, whether the "form" of ridicule was a play, a poem or a song --- no matter how "artistic/competent" the ridicule. Plato was that sort of "censorer" --- arguably because of the irreverence of much Athenian comedy/tragedy which was seldom (if ever) censored. One such irreverent comedy, by Aristophanes [The Clouds featuring a ridiculed/ridiculous Socrates] played a role, according to Socrates/Plato, in Socrates's trial, conviction and death sentence [Plato's Apology 18d re. Socrates's "invisible opponents" whom he cannot even name, quote:- "...unless one of them happens to be a playwright."].
Kevin
Would you take your child to the zoo with the swine flu going around?
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We have had a trip planned for awhile now to take our kids to the brook field zoo in Chicago. We are going this Saturday and my daughter is very excited it is all she talks about but now i am not so sure with the flu going around if it would be a safe thing to do. Would you take your kids?
I was never worried about being around the animals just being around a lot of people
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Yes, I would go. There are usually no pigs at the zoo even in the children's petting zoo section. And so long as you keep hand sanitizer available (take a backpack) and use it often, I would say go and have a great time. And as for being exposed to possibly contaminated people, there is no more chance of getting it from people visiting the zoo than you would at the mall or or grocery store or somewhere else where large numbers of people congregate. I say keep your plans intact, go and enjoy the day!
Yes, I would go. There are usually no pigs at the zoo even in the children's petting zoo section. And so long as you keep hand sanitizer available (take a backpack) and use it often, I would say go and have a great time. And as for being exposed to possibly contaminated people, there is no more chance of getting it from people visiting the zoo than you would at the mall or or grocery store or somewhere else where large numbers of people congregate. I say keep your plans intact, go and enjoy the day!
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